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black men can't swim? sorted.... posted by: publius 16:50 7.12.10 time declare this thread finished, i guess... http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hRv5sUxxWidc9Go7BQLl8iSIwcJw Cracked people posted by: spacehippie 00:52 4.22.10 I hope the irony of this sentence about proofreading didn't escape folks: Sessions defended proofreaders for letting through a misprint that he suggested came from a spell-check program, explaining that since almost every recipe in the book calls for black pepper at a on each page it was an error he considered "quite forgivable". Calls for black pepper at a what? they may not be able to swim... posted by: publius 21:02 4.19.10 but they're DELICIOUS over tagliatelle... http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2010/apr/19/penguin-cook-book i don't see black people posted by: publius 10:10 12.23.09 "HP looking into claim webcams can't see black people" http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/12/22/hp.webcams/index.html nope... posted by: simplicissimus 23:03 7.8.09 ...literally. http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Pool-Boots-Kids-Who-Might-Change-the-Complexion.html gotta love the "complexion" comment at the end. good to see... posted by: publius 17:52 2.10.09 that in these tough economic times, the m&a market for black people is going strong... http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/feb/10/blacks-leisure-retail (this really should be under the "ridiculous article titles" thread, but it sort of fits here, and i think this thread should pop to the top of the pops (see what i did there?) every so often...) not even shaq posted by: horsebeater 13:42 8.28.08 http://lakers.freedomblogging.com/2008/08/26/more-from-dr-phil/ really good headline posted by: horsebeater 17:09 8.15.08 http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1010665.html well at least.... posted by: publius 14:07 5.14.08 in some places you can still portray the black candidate for president as a monkey on a t-shirt and claim to be shocked! shocked! when people find it offensive.... http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/05/14/bojorquez.obama.tshirt.controversy.wsb u-s-a! u-s-a! u-s-a! Radio Shock Jocks posted by: camdolphin 15:29 5.7.08 I stumbled on radio shock jock Steve Dahl while stuck in traffic last Friday. His sidekick was reading the news to them so they could banter (it was as painful as it seems). The sidekick said "Barbara Walters admitted having an affair with a man who was a united states senator, and a black guy, in an interview the other day." after they talked about Barbara and the senator for a while, Dahl asked "okay, so who was the black guy?" after a pause, sidekick told him it was indeed the senator was also black, Dahl said, "oh, I thought it was Magic Johnson or someone." according to some, they can't posted by: simplicissimus 07:18 8.7.07 while according to others, they can make you gay: http://www.tampabays10.com/news/local/article.aspx?s=rss&storyid=60650 who knew? ps: thanks to google, i've learned this "terrifying" event occured at 3 pm. from the.... posted by: publius 13:15 8.24.06 "what the fuck are they thinking" file... http://www.wcbs880.com/pages/73105.php?contentType=4&contentId=193448 i mean....what can you say about this idiocy? back to the ashkenazim.... posted by: publius 00:25 10.25.05 here's a fairly detailed discussion of the article which instigated the discussion of the ashkenazim above. it's a bit long, and not quite as interesting as i'd hoped it would be (though if you're patient you'll get a sarah silverman reference at the end....) http://tinyurl.com/8prod Bill Bennett, only slightly ou posted by: isidorus 14:48 9.30.05 "if you wanted to reduce crime, you could, if that were your sole purpose, you could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down." I think it's funny how Freakonomics avoids race and instead focuses on income and education as predicters of crime, while our Values Czar jumps right to it on live radio. Granted, I didn't hear the clip, and I know it's totally out of context, but it's perversely satisfying when soapbox high horse guys like Bennett - especially Bennett - make themselves look silly. http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5313293,00.html race and medicine... posted by: publius 16:26 7.13.05 interesting article, and especially interesting how less inflammatory a discussion about race and disease seems to be than one about, say, race and sports. i suppose the simple reason is that whereas higher or lower incidences of disease among a given ethnic/racial group is chalked up to genetics/heredity, any set of achievements by a given group must take proactivity (hence the mind - see the mind/body comments in the ashkenazim posts above) into account. and that's where things start to get very slippery... http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,1072-1658766,00.html breakfast anyone? posted by: hlk_rumsey 09:19 6.30.05 at Sambo's or Cook's fried chicken? Mexicans are kind of racist posted by: isidorus 09:13 6.30.05 or maybe they just love their comics http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/30/international/americas/30mexico.html whiteys posted by: hlk_rumsey 13:53 6.29.05 like those 3 things too, i mean not to generalize, but i sure like em. also, what's with the loose sh posted by: isidorus 13:37 6.29.05 am I missing something? This would almost count as a h posted by: isidorus 13:34 6.29.05 if it were said today. http://www.nndb.com/people/635/000022569/ http://tafkac.org/celebrities/butz_racist_remark.html Not surprisingly, he's from Indiana. I'm with publius.... posted by: simplicissimus 01:52 6.4.05 there are only two differences between the two. 1. what happened to the yids was "over there" a "long time ago". as far as i'm concerned, it is no mystery. you take a people that is constantly getting picked on, have them have to rely on intellect to survive, and additionally create a situation where the most successful have the easiest time getting out before the massacres begin....what do you expect you are going to get? however because it wasn't "us" and "you" it is easy to discuss. 2. intelligence is a favorable trait while physical prowess is less so. (interestingly enough, the history of jews is also rife with situations that resulted in "poor" genetic effects. interbreeding has produced a pretty poor "general" physical specimen -- bad teeth and mental illness are two things off the top of my head that are more prevalent in the jewish community and from what i understand can be tied to inbreeding. while this "effect" is being lessened with intermarriage, it is real. but it isn't something that anybody (save a jew) would ever "publicize" or cite.) more importantly however, it seems pretty clear if we accept darwinism then we must accept that the "average" physical condition of "the healthiest" hunter-gatherers who were captured and transported to america BECAUSE of -- and in direct relation to -- their physical condition, and who were then worked to death (unless they were extremely hardy) would be better than the "average" physical condition of sedentary farmers or city dwellers. i have never figured out why nobody hasn't pointed out that you can accept this theory without it having any effect on your view of african-american intelligence. why on earth are they mutually exclusive? horsebeater: you read the bell curve...you must have some thoughts.... well aware.... posted by: publius 15:12 6.3.05 jimmy the greek is rolling ove posted by: horsebeater 15:11 6.3.05 compare and contrast... posted by: publius 14:48 6.3.05 i wasn't sure whether to post this here or in the anti-semitism thread, but anyway... http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20050603-115516-3639r.htm now, according to this theory about the generally higher level of intellectual horsepower among the ashkenazim, it is a result of "the restriction of Ashkenazim in medieval Europe to occupations that required more than usual mental agility". so you have a subjugated people who, perhaps, developed what pretty much anyone would consider to be a positive trait as a result of their "subjugation". as far as i can tell no one is up in arms about this. a quick check of the anti-defamation league doesn't turn up any mention of it: http://www.adl.org/default.htm now what, pray tell, is the difference between saying that PERHAPS the ashkenazim have a demonstrably higher level of intellectual achievement because of a period of exteme environmental pressures, and saying that PERHAPS black athletes have a demonstrably higher level of athletic achievement because of a period of extereme environmental pressures? i think the question has more to do with how society views the mind vs. the body than it does with any particular strain of racism/anti-semitism. or maybe not. maybe attributing ANY conceivable "advantage" to slavery is simply too dangerous for american society to allow, whereas saying that jews in medieval europe gained an "advantage" from being forced to worked in certain trades is ok because it is so distant. in the way of a "just to be clear" disclaimer...i have no idea why/if the ashkenazim have demonstrably higher intellects, just as i have no idea why/if blacks whose ancestors were subjected to slavery have demonstrably higher athletic ability. all i'm saying is that either one is CONCEIVABLE, and that having a discussion about the POSSIBILITY is not an inherently racist/anti-semitic thing. there's a big difference between intellectual honesty and racism/anti-semitism... nice.... posted by: publius 15:45 11.22.04 On Monday night, I gotta believe the smart kids were not asking their parents, "Why is there a naked woman in the locker room with Terrell Owens?" but rather "Who is the unfunny man [George Lopez] in the booth with Al Michaels and John Madden?" I, for one, know which segment offended me more. http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=fanball-newheadsofstate&prov=fanball&type=fantasy apparently black men... posted by: publius 15:27 11.18.04 should not be catching naked blond women on national television either.... i agree with the writer of this article...if it had been peyton manning (weird image, that) there still would have been controversy (especially so close on the heels of last year's wardrobt malfunction...), but nowhere near as much as when the catcher is t.o. http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=cnnsi-itsreallyaboutr&prov=cnnsi&type=lgns wrong posted by: isidorus 13:47 8.24.04 There was a black female swimmer on the US team. Her removal from the 400 free relay team has prompted charges of racism on BlackAmericaWeb. http://tomjoyner.com/site.aspx/bawnews/swimmer817 http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/news/story?id=1839326 There's also a black female swimmer on France's team http://www.fina.org/bio_Metella.html but I don't know if she made the finals for anything. But then again, the title of this thread is black *men* can't swim, which may still be accurate. AoL, I'm gaining on you. my wife and i closely watched posted by: horsebeater 22:06 8.23.04 ... and we never saw a black swimmer. dwb... posted by: publius 15:33 6.22.04 News Charges filed against Patriots cornerback Ty Law for resisting arrest in April were dropped yesterday. Prosecutors had alleged that Law sped off in his car after being pulled over for a lane violation, and then led police on a brief foot chase through Miami Beach, but police dismissed the charge and returned his $150 bond. "This is a classic case of DWB: driving while black,'' Law's attorney Joel Hirschhorn told the Boston Herald. "There was no basis for this arrest." Views Law has had enough distractions this offseason with his contract dispute. It's nice to hear this won't be an issue going forward. more on ron atkinson... posted by: publius 04:10 5.7.04 http://football.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,9753,1202845,00.html i think there are two questions here, given what he said after the chelsea match, what he now has to say about what he said, and his conduct and reputation up to the point of his comments after the game: 1. how does one feel about atkinson personally? 2. how does one handle a ron atkinson as a society? to question 1 (the more complex of the two, in my opinion): i'm torn on this one. part of me feels sorry for the guy - his record on race in professional football, an extremely charged racial environment (black players are still greeted by monkey noises and banana peels being thrown onto the pitch with, if not regularity, alarming frequency), borders on the exemplary. but clearly there's a part of him, perhaps hard-wired by the society and times from which he comes, that still recognizes, on some level, a difference between a player he would see as a "a lazy fucker" and "a lazy fucking nigger" (the fact that he was talking about marcel desailly, captain of the french national side and one of the most universally lauded and respected players in the game makes this particular instance that much more incompreshensible). we're all both products and victims of our environment. in the end i think where i come down on atkinson personally tilts more towards feeling sorry for him. while what he said was reprehensible and inexcusable, he's demonstrated over the course of a life the ability to rise above a formative environment that could very easily have made him a banana-tossing yob. to question number 2 this i think is straightforward. society (as i envision it) has an obligation to condemn instances like atkinson's outburst without taking into account the man who makes them. moving societal attitudes on topics like race take generations and generations of slow plodding. if you're atkinson you need to realize that one of your flaws is the basic short circuit in your character that makes an outburst like he made possible, and that being a part of the process of moving society towards a place where the machinery itself, and not just the advertising, is more just, means keeping your hands away from the moving parts. if you don't have the capability to recognize the flaws you wish you didn't have, you should expect nothing less than to be caught out by them at some point. why do you think greek tragedy still holds such sway over our imaginations - the fatal flaw is everything in the end. what happened with/to atkinson seems to me to fit the classical definition of tragedy. when all the arithmetic is done, i feel sorry for the guy and wish he could have managed himself better. there's an argument to be made that that statement tacitly endorses "country club racism" where everyone says the right thing and simply becomes more crafty with their racism to more effectively fly under radar. in a very narrow interpretation it could be seen that way, but that's certainly not my intention. everybody has demons which shouldn't see the light of day, and how one deals with them is perhaps the truest test of character. you judge a man by his words and his actions taken as a whole, but his thoughts and his interior struggles remain, as they should, his own. but what about the hair posted by: ludwig 11:58 4.29.04 http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/bal-md.hair27apr27,0,524224.story?coll=bal-pe-maryland i'm pretty sure elton john... posted by: publius 16:56 4.27.04 can't swim either. http://au.news.yahoo.com/040427/11/oqwi.html at least jennifer hudson... posted by: publius 11:00 4.23.04 has a career as an olympic swimmer (or florida cop) to fall back on.. http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/TV/04/23/tv.americanidol.ap/index.html Jimmy the Greek posted by: horsebeater 18:13 4.22.04 I didn't think of Campanis, I thought of Jimmy the Greek and his famous "blacks were bred to be better athletes" commentary that got him fired. I was watching the new Chris Rock this weekend, and Rock *said the exact same thing* Jimmy must be spinning too... Here's what Atkinson said posted by: ludwig 17:52 4.22.04 It would only be funny if said by Chappelle http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-04/22/content_1435202.htm yeah, but he's english... posted by: publius 17:52 4.22.04 they don't have the mental capacity of us americans. probably don't swim very well either. okay, I found it posted by: isidorus 17:50 4.22.04 http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/tm_objectid=14168792&method=full&siteid=50143&headline=big-ron-quits-itv-over-race-slur-name_page.html and it's just sort of boring. This coach sounds like a real dipshit. anybody know what this guy sai posted by: isidorus 17:49 4.22.04 http://www.reuters.com/locales/newsArticle.jsp?type=sportsNews&locale=en_IN&storyID=4901517 I can't help but wonder, even though I probably don't want to know. while we're on the topic... posted by: publius 17:44 4.22.04 ...of precisely what i'm not sure, but anyway... http://sports.espn.go.com/page2/s/list/footinmouth.html it will be interesting to see posted by: publius 17:37 4.22.04 as the police chief is black. had she, or the mayor, been white, one would imagine the outcry would have been instantaneous and severe. doggy paddle posted by: ludwig 17:33 4.22.04 I like how defensive the police spokeman was. Would Jimmy the Greek ascribe it to large thighs? Does that drag people down? al campanis must be spinning.. posted by: armyoflebron 17:31 4.22.04 ...in his grave right about now. Wait, I think I hear something: Al C.: "Damn, I was so close to being vindicated. If only that flatfoot would've referenced my 'buoyancy' theory." this just strikes me as wrong posted by: publius 17:25 4.22.04 though maybe that's just the liberal egalitarian in me talking and not the "real world" chief of police sort a fella... http://www.local10.com/news/3030870/detail.html